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Looking for - Patricio Martinez
« on: November 19, 2009, 10:42:18 AM »
Hi I'm looking for any information on Patricio Martinez in Guaraguao, Ponce, in 1910 his wife was Maria Saez De Martinez . If you have any information please reply to this posting and I will be notified.
Thank you,
Marcus

Here is some info from the US Census of 1910
Maria Saez De Martinez
Age in 1910: 47
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1863
Birthplace: Puerto Rico Relation to Head of House: Wife
Father's Birth Place: Puerto Rico
Mother's Birth Place: Puerto Rico
Spouse's Name: Patricia (typo in Census should be Patricio)
Home in 1910: Guaraguao, Ponce, Puerto Rico
Marital Status: Married
Race: White Gender: Female
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Re: Looking for - Patricio Martinez
« Reply #1 on: December 09, 2009, 07:49:48 AM »
Hi Marcus,

Actually you already have quite a lot of information to go by.  What I discovered in reviewing the 1910, 1920, and 1930 Census is that many could not read or write so whoever the Enumerator heard the name was how it was jotted down.  Case in point.  In 1910, I found my bisabuelo Pedro Bayala Flores living with his sister, a nephew and niece as well as his son.  However in the documentation it lists his sister as have no children (don't think that is correct), his son listed as a vistor and his nephew listed with the wrong last name.  Now we move onto 1920, now they drop the B and called him Ayala vs Bayala because I guess the Enumirator thought that because he can't read, he doesn't know his own last name...go figure.  Then 1930, this was a big dossy!  Now they spelled the name as Vallala and just made a total mess of the records.  I think that 1910 was the best census as far as quality goes but still lacking.  The way I found them in each census was that I took note where they were living and pulled up the census record for that town and reviewed each entry line by line until I found them.  I hope this helps you locating them.  Also, there is this website called http://www.pr-root.com.  Before requesting membership ($15 annually), review what they have available to determine if it will help you in your search.  I was able to locate a few of my ancestors on the site and they also provide details.  Good luck in your search and sorry for the long response. :)
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Re: Looking for - Patricio Martinez
« Reply #2 on: December 29, 2009, 01:22:35 PM »
Hope this helps:
1920 United States Federal Census
about Maria Saez Y Rivera De Martinez
Name: Maria Saez Y Rivera De Martinez
[Maria Saez Y Railes De Martinez]  
Home in 1920: Guaraguao, Ponce, Puerto Rico
Age: 56 years  
Estimated birth year: abt 1864
Birthplace: Puerto Rico
Relation to Head of House: Mother
Father's Birth Place: Puerto Rico
Mother's Birth Place: Puerto Rico
Marital Status: Widowed
Race: White
Sex: Female
Able to read: No
Able to Write: No
Household Members: Name Age
Angel Martinez Y Saez 35
Maria Saez Y Rivera De Martinez 56
Victoria Martinez Y Saez 28
Petra Martinez Y Saez 23
Cruz Martinez Y Saez 21
Miguel Martinez Y Saez 15
Micaela Martinez Y Saez 15
Ildefonso Martinez Y Saez 12
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Re: Looking for - Patricio Martinez
« Reply #3 on: January 04, 2010, 09:34:44 PM »
Thank you this data looks very close. It seems we were not very creative in naming new children also because people were so close and travel was so limited family structures are very close and hard to distinguish one from the other some times.

It has truly been a journey I am a member of pr-roots.com but the results were not what I had hoped still a great source of information. Today I've gone from 10 people in my family database at http://http://www.familythen.com to 209 people with another 50 to 70 or so still outstanding all this in about 6 months.

HGSNY have been of a great help to me in giving me a sense of direction and today I look forward to helping others find out about their roots as I discover mine. It's our duty and privilege to pCensored on our history to those that come after us, I have every intention of complete that task.

I wish you luck in your search and i hope you find the same sense of pride I feel in my heart when I think of my people.
Marcus
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Re: Looking for - Patricio Martinez
« Reply #4 on: January 05, 2010, 05:04:19 AM »
Hi,

Just took a look at your tree.  You will be surprised what you will uncover in the Census records.  Also, the LDS has a lot of information.  In a matter of 8 months, I've been able to add over 2,000 to my tree (I spend a lot of time on it).  I recommend that you go to the census records for the town or municipality you think your family came from.  What I've discovered is that many did not move around as they didn't have the convienences that we have today (cars and easily travelled roads).  Part of trying to find your ancestors is learning the history of the island..especially the weather.  I helps in determining what may have happened to missing ancestors.  In addition, you have to go to an LDS and look at films, this is a definite must.  Their website is http://www.familysearch.org.  The have records online but they also have millions of others that are available that have not been indexed.  It's the only way you can truly find your ancestors.  I've been down your road and it did become frustrating as my last name is estremely rare.  I was able to find an ancestor, write to Spain and request records (via email) and get them in the mail (at no charge) and I found the connection between him and my Pedro Bayala....Pedro's grandfather. ;)  

Oh and to help you along, I think you have one of the last names mispelled...Petrona Alices is actually Petrona Alicea.  If you don't mind me asking, what part of Puerto Rico are you looking at?  Also, look at the neighbors, especially in Puerto Rico.  They always turn out to be the parents, siblings, cousins, etc.  If you add cousins and siblings, you will be surprised what you will find.  :mrgreen:
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Re: Looking for - Patricio Martinez
« Reply #5 on: January 05, 2010, 05:28:34 AM »
Sorry, you did say what region you were looking at (based on my prior post).  Here is what the LDS has on Ponce as far as Census records...

http://www.familysearch.org/eng/library ... sp=Censo++


Also, the following is going to require a little work.  Find out what were the closes churches in the region that existed at the time (very easy)... http://www.churches-in.com/puerto-rico/

Also, learn about hurricanes and how they impacted the island...especially the one that hit in 1899.  I also have a link to it. ;)

http://huracanado1.tripod.com/history.html

There is a lot of info available, you just have to put on a "detective" hat and approach it like a crime scene. :D

Anna
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Re: Looking for - Patricio Martinez
« Reply #6 on: January 05, 2010, 05:54:59 AM »
Opps...sorry one more.  This is a link to the civil records for Ponce...birth and death records.  The other thing is that there were epidemics that hit Puerto Rico...Cholera was a big one and many died from it...1800's and early 1900's....especially after a hurricane.  I know that in my sister's family, her grandmother and grand aunt were left as orphans because Cholera claimed many in the family.  You will want to document all of this as part of your tree as it helps "bring them to life" in the eye of the person viewing the tree in the future.  You can even build stories based on facts...the story should be about, when they lived, how they lived, and what lead to their death and anything else you uncover.  My family claims that they are from the Canary Island and I couldn't find the Bayala name in the Canary Island for nothing. So here is an example of what I found....

My tatarabuelo is Pedro Bayala y Flores.  It turns out he had aunts and uncles (all dead by 1910)...not one survivor.  However I found a Miguel Bayala on a pCensoredenger list that could only be his grandfather...I decided to check on the name as it was rare.  Well, the pCensoredenger's list was only a reference of him that could be found in one of Estela Cifre de Loubriel  books.  I followed her reference and found out that the record was located in Spain!  I was upset because my thoughts were...how the heck am I going to get that?  So what I did was researched online and found out that Spain has records online, went to look and found out that that particular record wasn't available...I wanted to pull my hair out.  So then I wrote to the archive in Spain in broken Spanish, begging for their help and providing them with the reference information.  They asked me a few questions and I didn't hear from them again.  I was nicely surprised on Christmas Eve when I received a nice padded envelope from Spain and in it were copies of the documents in the file I had requested.  All it showed was that he requested to be transfered from the military in Asturias to the fijo de Puerto Rico in 1803 and when and where the ship left from Spain.  Also in researching, I found out that ships always made port in the Canary Islands before continuing to the Americas.  I hit another bump because I didn't know his age so I posted what I knew on Ancestry.  Another user of ancestry came back and supplied me with his marriage information.  The record contained his parents, what town he came from in spain, who his wife to be was, where was she from and her parents.  It was an amazing find!  I then found yesterday, a will that was his and in it was how much land he had, if he had slaves (he didn't), the number of children, animals, where he lived, how many houses, and when the will had to be fulfilled, etc.  Now I know approximately when he died.  So now based on all that information, I can now find his children, and write my story of his life and hopefully of his children.  It was a very good find.  I'm now at a worse challenge because my mother's side is from Domincian Republic and there are no census records so I have to work even harder. :D
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Re: Looking for - Patricio Martinez
« Reply #7 on: January 05, 2010, 09:38:30 PM »
Thank you lots of good info .... I'll have to review all your suggestions. My family comes from Guaraguao, Ponce and I know what you talking about in terms of looking at people in the same area it looks like since people didn't get around much they would marry close to home, so you see some of the same families connected by different marriages.
Thanks again for all the info some of it I was aware of but some is new I'll have to take a look.
Thanks,
Marcus
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